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INSIGHTS ON PBS HAWAI‘I: The Airbnb-ing of Hawai‘i | Program


IS HAWAI’I ISN’T ALONE. FROM LOS ANGELES TO KEY LARGO,
FLORIDA, CITIES AND STATES STRUGGLE WITH THE PROS AND
CONS OF ILLEGAL OR UNDERGROUND SHORT TERM
RENTALS. IS IT SIMPLY HOME SHARING,
PUTTING THAT SPARE BEDROOM TO GOOD USE FOR EARNING
ADDITIONAL INCOME, OR IS IT AN UNREGULATED
MULTIMILLION-DOLLAR MOVEMENT DRIVEN MOSTLY BY THE SHORT
TERM RENTALS OF ENTIRE HOMES AND CONDOMINIUMS? WHAT DO YOU THINK ABOUT THE
AIRB&B-ING OF HAWAI’I? THIS LIVE BROADCAST OF PBS
HAWAI’I STARTS NEXT. [INTRO MUSIC] YUNJI: ALOHA AND WELCOME TO
INSIGHTS ON PBS HAWAII. I’M
YUNJI DE NIES. HAWAII ALONG WITH OTHER
VACATION DESTINATIONS AROUND THE COUNTRY IS NOW FACED WITH
THOUSANDS OF LEGAL AND ILLEGAL SHORT-TERM RENTALS IN
OUR NEIGHBORHOODS. AIRBNB, EXPEDIA AND OTHER
ONLINE VACATION RENTAL SITES HAVE BECOME THE POPULAR
LODGING ALTERNATIVE TO TRADITIONAL FULL SERVICE
HOTELS. SUPPORTERS SAY IT PROVIDES
NEEDED EXTRA INCOME FOR LOCAL PEOPLE WHILE PROVIDING
ACCOMMODATIONS TO SUPPLEMENT THE HOTEL INDUSTRY’S HIGH
OCCUPANCY RATE. OPPONENTS
MAINTAIN THAT IT PROMOTES ILLEGAL BUSINESSES, JOB
LOSSES, REVENUE LOSS TO THE GOVERNMENT, HIGHER HOUSING
PRICES AND DISRUPTIONS IN OUR NEIGHBORHOODS. CAN POLICYMAKERS, COMMUNITY
MEMBERS, AND HOMEOWNER-HOSTS COME TO A WORKABLE SOLUTION TO
THE BENEFIT OF ALL ? TONIGHT WE’LL HEAR FROM
DIFFERENT STAKEHOLDERS IN THIS DISPUTE. WE LOOK FORWARD TO YOUR
PARTICIPATION IN TONIGHT’S SHOW. YOU CAN EMAIL, CALL OR
TWEET YOUR QUESTIONS. AND
YOU’LL FIND A LIVE STREAM OF THIS PROGRAM AT
PBSHAWAII.ORG. AND THE PBS HAWAII FACEBOOK PAGE. IN
FACT THE CONVERSATION ON THIS SUBJECT ACTUALLY BEGAN LAST
NIGHT ON FACEBOOK. CHECK IT
OUT. NOW TO OUR GUESTS…. SHARLYN FOO IS THE OWNER OF
BACKPACKERS VACATION INNS ON THE NORTH SHORE OF OAHU, A
LEGAL VACATION RENTAL. THE BUSINESS WAS STARTED BY
HER BROTHER THE LATE MARK FOO IN 1979 AND RUN BY MS. FOO
SINCE 1998. SHE IS CURRENTLY
A MEMBER OF THE NORTH SHORE NEIGHBORHOOD BOARD. LAWRENCE BARTLEY IS THE
CO-FOUNDER AND PRESIDENT OF SAVE OAHU’S NEIGHBORHOODS. IT IS A LOOSE ORGANIZATION OF
VOLUNTEERS WHOSE MISSION IS TO COORDINATE EFFECTIVE
PARTICIPATION OF PEOPLE AND ORGANIZATIONS’ ACTIVITIES TO
PREVENT FURTHER EROSION OF RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOODS
AND LOSS OF HOUSING. MR. BARTLEY IS ALSO A LONG-TIME
MEMBER OF THE KAILUA, OAHU NEIGHBORHOOD BOARD. HOME-SHARING SUPPORTER WILL
PAGE IS A LONG-TIME RESIDENT OF KAILUA, OAHU WHERE A
SIGNIFICANT NUMBER OF HOME-SHARING BUSINESSES
THRIVE. MR. PAGE FOUNDED
PAGE MARKETING, INC. IN 1996
WHICH PUBLISHES THE DETAILED MAP OF KAILUA AND THE JAPANESE
LANGUAGE KAILUA BEACH MAP. MR. PAGE SUPPORTS THE AIRBNB
BUSINESS MODEL BUT HE IS NOT AUTHORIZED NOR IS HE HERE
TONIGHT TO SPEAK ON BEHALF OF AIRBNB. CADE WATANABE IS A COMMUNITY
AND LABOR ORGANIZER WITH UNITE HERE LOCAL 5, A LABOR
UNION REPRESENTING 11,000 HOTEL, HEALTH CARE AND FOOD
SERVICE WORKERS THROUGHOUT HAWAII. MR. WATANABE ALSO
SERVES AS A VOLUNTEER BOARD MEMBER OF THE HAWAII ALLIANCE
FOR PROGRESSIVE ACTION. INSIGHTS INVITED COMMUNITY
MEMBERS WHO CURRENTLY “HOST” GUESTS THROUGH AIRBNB AND
OTHER ONLINE RENTAL PLATFORMS – BUT WE WERE NOT
SUCCESSFUL IN CONFIRMING APPEARANCES TONIGHT FOR ANY
OF THOSE INDIVIDUALS. ALSO – AIRBNB DOES NOT HAVE
STAFF IN HAWAII AND ONLY EMPLOYEES OF THE COMPANY ARE
AUTHORIZED TO SPEAK ON ITS BEHALF. FROM AIRBNB’S SAN
FRANCISCO HEADQUARTERS, THE COMPANY SENT THE FOLLOWING
STATEMENT FOR TONIGHT’S INSIGHTS PROGRAM
“AS THE THIRD LARGEST HOME SHARING PLATFORM IN HAWAII,
AIRBNB IS COMMITTED TO BEING A LEADER IN COLLABORATING
WITH STATE AND COUNTY OFFICIALS TO DEVELOP FAIR
REGULATIONS THAT PROTECT AFFORDABLE HOUSING, PRESERVE
NEIGHBORHOODS AND SUPPORT THE $5.1 BILLION IN ECONOMIC
ACTIVITY THIS INDUSTRY GENERATES FOR THE STATE.” BEFORE WE GET STARTED WITH OUR
DISCUSSION, LET’S LOOK AT SOME BASELINE INFORMATION
COMPILED BY UHERO, THE UNIVERSITY OF HAWAII ECONOMIC
AND RESEARCH ORGANIZATION. YUNJI: AIRBNB DID
ADVERTISE AIRB&B FOUNDED 2008. 2016, COMPANY LISTED
3 MILLION HOMES AND HOSTED 70 MILLION GUESTS. QUITE A BIT BROUGHT IN IN
EIGHT YEARS. 2025, PROJECTIONS AIRB&B
SHARE OF U.S. HOTEL AND SHORT TERM RENTAL ALSO INCREASE TO
13% VERSUS JUST 2.3% RIGHT NOW. OTHER PLACES, OF COURSE,
INCLUDE HOME AWAY, THAT’S VRBO AND TRIP ADVISORS FLIP
KEY. OUR MARKET IN HAWAI’I HAS
BETWEEN 9,000 AND 10,000 LISTINGS. HGEA2015 STUDY OF LISTINGS OF
HAWAI’I 20,000 UNITS ADVERTISED ON VARIOUS
PLATFORMS, INCLUDING AIRB&B, VRBO, FLIP KEY AND CLEAR STAY. FACTORING OUT DUPLICATES,
HGEA ESTIMATES 7,000 ACTUALLY INDIVIDUALLY ADVERTISED
UNITS, THE MAJORITY ARE UNLICENSED AND REPRESENT
ENTIRE RATHER THAN SHARED UNITS. NOW, LET’S GET TO THE
DISCUSSION. THAT’S A LOT OF INTRODUCTION. WE WANT TO START WITH YOU. YOU’VE BEEN AN ADVOCATE ON
THIS ISSUE FOR A LONG TIME TALKING ABOUT PROTECTING
NEIGHBORHOODS. WHAT HAVE YOU SEEN, HOW HAVE
THESE COMPANIES IMPACTED LOCAL FOLKS HERE IN HAWAI’I?>>THEY’VE ENTICED PEOPLE TO
BECOME INVOLVED IN ILLEGAL ACTIVITY. THEIR OUTREACH PLUS THE
COUNTIES LACK OF ENFORCEMENT, OBVIOUS LACK OF ENFORCEMENT,
INABILITY TO GET A GRIP ON THIS HAS CAUSED THIS ISSUE,
PROBLEM TO BLOW WAY OUT OF PROPORTION. EVERY NEIGHBORHOOD ON OAHU IS
AFFECTED, INCLUDING KALIHI VAIL, PLACES YOU WOULDN’T
HAVE THOUGHT. VACATION RENTALS WOULD EXIST. THEY’RE NOW EVERYWHERE. MANOA, I CAN NAME THEM ALL.
AND SO IT’S REALLY GOTTEN OUT OF HAND. AND THEY HAVE FACILITATED
THAT. KNOWINGLY, SENDING OUT POST
CARDS TO NEIGHBORHOODS THAT ARE NOT ELIGIBLE FOR VACATION
RENTALS ZONING, 7 PEOPLE POST CARDS ENTICING THEM TO MAKE
MONEY RENTING OUT THEIR HOMES. HOW IS THIS IMPACTING LOCAL 5?>>TWO VERY IMPORTANT WAYS. ONE, I THINK IS TO UNDERSTAND
THAT AIRB&B IN PARTICULAR IS VALUED AT OVER $30 BILLION. THAT’S MANY TIMES MORE THAN
MANY OF OUR LARGE HOTEL OPERATORS. THAT PROVIDE GOOD DECENT JOBS
FOR OUR COMMUNITIES. I THINK ONE THING THAT WE
RECOGNIZE THAT THERE’S DEFINITELY A NICHE MARKET FOR
TOURISTS LOOKING FOR A CERTAIN KIND OF EXPERIENCE. STAY OUTSIDE OF WAIKIKI OR
TRADITIONAL RESORT AREAS. THERE’S A HUGE DIFFERENCE IN
TERMS OF THE POSITIVE IMPACT THAT TRADITIONAL HOTELS
PLAYED VERSUS VACATION RENTAL MARKET. ONE IS THAT VISITORS WHO STAY
IN VACATION RENTALS SPEND A LOT LESS THAN THOSE WHO STAY
IN TRADITIONAL HOTELS. TRADITIONAL HOTELS GENERATE
ENOUGH TAX REVENUE FOR THE STATE TO FUND OUR KIDS ONE
CHILD, THROUGH PUBLIC EDUCATION FOR THE ENTIRE
YEAR. OVER $8,000 A YEAR IS
GENERATED IN STATE TAX REVENUE FROM ONE HOTEL ROOM. AND I THINK THE SECOND VERY
IMPORTANT POINT IS THAT FOR OUR MEMBERS THROUGHOUT THE
STATE OF HAWAI’I, THERE’S NO DENYING THAT’S RISING COST OF
LIVING, I GREW UP IN A VERY RURAL AREA ON THE BIG ISLAND
IN HONOKA’A. AND IT PAINS ME TO SEE SO MANY
OF THE PEOPLE THAT I GREW UP HAVING TO LEAVE OUR
COMMUNITY. WE HAVE ONE HAWAI’I, THIS IS
THE HAWAI’I THAT I WANT TO BE ABLE TO RAISE MY FAMILY IN,
AND THIS IS AN IMPORTANT ISSUE FOR SO MANY PEOPLE WHO CALL
HAWAI’I OUR HOME. BUT WE’VE GOT TO BE ABLE TO
RECOGNIZE THAT THE GROWING NUMBER OF VACATION RENTAL
UNITS DIRECTLY IMPACTS OUR ABILITY TO PRESERVE GOOD
HOUSING. HOUSING FOR LOCALS IN THE
RENTAL MARKET. HOMEOWNERSHIP IS GETTING MORE
AND MORE OUT OF REACH. AND IF OUR STATE GOVERNMENT,
CITY GOVERNMENT, OFFICIALS ARE SERIOUS ABOUT ADDRESSING
THE HOUSING ISSUE, THEN THEY’VE GOT TO GET SERIOUS
ABOUT ADDRESSING THE UNINTENDED CONSEQUENCES OF
THIS UNPERMITTEDDED GROWTH THROUGHOUT OUR STATE.>>Yunji: YOU’RE COMING AT
THIS FROM SOMEONE DOING THIS THE LEGAL WAY. WHEN YOU SEE ALL OF THESE
ILLEGAL OPERATORS POPPING UP, HOW DOES THAT AFFECT YOUR
BUSINESS AND HOW DOES THAT MAKE YOU FEEL?>>WE HAVE TO THINK BACK TO,
WE STARTED IN THE CONCEPTION OF THIS. WHEN WE STARTED THE BUSINESS
AND MARK STARTED THIS BUSINESS, THERE WERE NO LAWS
ON THE BOOKS. THERE WERE NO ORDINANCES
ABOUT VACATION RENTALS. I WAS PARTICIPANT IN WRITING
SOME OF THE LAWS AND WORKING WITH THE DPP BACK THEN. AND IT’S OUR MISSION WAS
ALWAYS TO HAVE AFFORDABLE PLACE TO STAY. SO THE IMPACT IS I HAVE TO LIVE
UNDER A LOT OF RULES. I’VE HAD THE, USED TO BE YOU
HAD TO GET INSPECTED EVERY YEAR BY THE FIRE DEPARTMENT. I HAVE TO BE INSPECTED BY THE
HEALTH DEPARTMENT. I PAY TAXES, GE AND T.A.T. A LOT OF THINGS I CAN DO. I HAVE TO PAY THE HOTEL TAX BUT
I MAY NOT HAVE A RESTAURANT BECAUSE I AM ZONED, NOT ZONED
RESORT. I AM ZONED RESIDENTIAL. I AM GRANDFATHERED IN. BUT I THINK THE IMPORTANT
THING HERE, I THINK THAT WE DO NEED MORE B&B’S AND MORE HOME
SHARES. I THINK THE CONFUSION IS IN
THE DEFINITION OF VACATION RENTAL UNITS AND B&B OR HOME
SHARE. I THINK PUTTING IT TOGETHER IS
DOING EVERYBODY DISSERVICE, MAKING IT VERY CONVOLUTED. SHARING YOUR HOME, YOU HAVE
THE RIGHT AS A PROPERTY OWNER TO SHARE AND CITY COUNCIL HAD
MADE VERY CLEAR DEFINITIONS. CLEAR DEFINITIONS. I DON’T KNOW WHY EVERYBODY IS
CONFUSED. B&B COULD HAVE UP TO TWO
BEDROOMS. HAD TO BE LIVING IN THE HOUSE. YOU HAD TO HAVE PARKING FOR
TWO CARS IF YOU HAD TWO ROOMS. AND I THINK THAT WE SHOULD
ALLOW MORE. THOSE KINDS OF PEOPLE THAT CAN
HAVE AUNTY RENTING A ROOM OR THE WIDOW RENTING A ROOM OR TO
HELP PAY THE MORTGAGE OR WHEN YOU’RE ON SUSTAINED INCOME. I JUST THINK THAT PEOPLE ARE
GETTING IT VERY CONFUSED. I DON’T HAVE ANYTHING AGAINST
PEOPLE WANTING TO STAY IN A DIFFERENT PLACE THAN A HOTEL. PEOPLE WANT TO SPEND LESS
MONEY THAN STAYING AT A HOTEL. BUT I THINK THAT MUSHING IT
ALL TOGETHER AND AIRB&B DOES NOT RENT MANY ROOMS AND THINGS
LIKE THAT. THEY ARE RENTING WHOLE HOMES
WHICH I HAVE SEEN SO MANY FRIENDS OF MINE HAVE TO LEAVE
AND KEEP MOVING YEAR AFTER YEAR. THIS STARTED 20 YEARS AGO. THEY’VE GOT MOVED OUT. YOU CAN RENT IT FOR SIX
MONTHS. WHEN WINTERTIME COMES, WHICH
IS THE NORTH SHORE SEASON, YOU HAVE TO LEAVE. LITERALLY HAPPENED TO A
PERSON I KNOW SIX TIMES. TRYING TO LIVE ON THE NORTH
SHORE. GOTTEN IMPOSSIBLE. PEOPLE HAVE LEFTED ISLAND. ANOTHER FRIEND MOVED AWAY. NEVER COULD AFFORD TO BUY A
HOUSE. FAMILY OF CHILDREN. CAN’T EVEN RENT. I HAVE A 2 BEDROOM ON MY STREET
THAT’S RENTING FOR $3,500 A MONTH. OUTRAGEOUS.>>Yunji: BRING YOU INTO THIS
DISCUSSION. WHEN YOU HEAR ALL OF THESE
COMPLAINTS WHAT IS THE UP SIDE TO SOMETHING LIKE AIRB&B OR
SHORT TERM VACATION RENTALS? WHAT CAN THEY ADD TO THE
COMMUNITY?>>ONE THING THEY CAN ADD TO
THE COMMUNITY IS JOBS. WITHIN A BED & BREAKFAST OR
VACATION RENTAL HOME, THE AMOUNT THAT’S PAID IN RENTALS
IS ABOUT 40% OF ALL THE MONEY THEY SPEND ON THE ISLAND WHEN
THEY COME SPEND A CERTAIN AMOUNT IN THE HOME. MORE IN THE COMMUNITY,
RESTAURANT, MEALS, SHOPPING AN ACTIVITIES THAT ARE THERE. THOSE JOBS MEAN AN AWFUL LOT. FOR A LOT OF THE COMMUNITIES,
TALKING ABOUT LITERALLY MILLIONS AND BILLIONS OF
DOLLARS. I THINK THE TOTAL AMOUNT ON
OAHU SPENT BY VISITORS STAYING AT VACATION RENTAL. SOMETHING LIKE $1.7 BILLION. AMOUNT IN TAXES IS SOMETHING
LIKE $189 MILLION. HUGE, HUGE ECONOMIC VALUE
THAT GOES ON IN THESE RESIDENCES. IT’S NOT, THESE JOBS THAT ARE
THERE ARE NOT JOBS THAT BEING SENT OVERSEAS. NOT JOBS BEING PERFORMED IN
CHINA OR MEXICO OR ASSEMBLED IN GUATEMALA. THEY’RE PAYING TAXES AND
GENERATING INCOME FOR LOCAL FAMILIES. A AWFUL LOT OF LOCAL FAMILIES
HAVING A HARD TIME TO PAY MORTGAGE AND RENT. TO SAY, YOU CAN’T RENT OUT
HOME STAY. EVEN IF YOU’RE A WIDOW OR HAVE
A WHOLE HOUSE OF EMPTY BEDROOMS, CAN’T RENT OUT
SHORT STAY. YOU CAN’T SAY TO OLD LADY
LIVING IN THREE EMPTY ROOMS, YOU CAN CAN’T RENT THEM OUT. YOU HAVE TO MOVE TO LOS
ANGELES.>>AS USUAL WE’RE TALKING
ABOUT DIFFERENT THINGS. WE’RE TALKING ABOUT WHOLE
HOUSE RENTALS. 80 OF THESE —
>>WE’RE NOT TALKING ABOUT WHOLE HOUSE RENTALS.>>I’M TALKING ABOUT WHOLE
HOUSE RENTALS.>>WHEN SOMEBODY IS LIVING IN
THE RESIDENCE –>>YOU’RE TALKING ABOUT TUTU
IN A B&B NOBODY IS COMPLAINING ABOUT THAT.>>NOBODY IS COMPLAINING
ABOUT THAT. IT’S AGAINST THE LAW IN THE
CITY & COUNTY OF HONOLULU. DOESN’T MAKE SENSE.>>NOT ON THE RADAR.>>HIS POINT ABOUT ALL THE
MONEY COMING IN. CITY OF SAN FRANCISCO
ADDRESSED THIS ISSUE. THEY DETERMINED THAT EVEN
THOUGH THEY COLLECT MORE TAXES, THE NET BENEFIT TO THE
CITY WAS NEGATIVE BECAUSE OF THE HOUSING ISSUES, BECAUSE
OF THE WAY THEY SPEND MONEY. PEOPLE WEREN’T STAYING IN
HOTELS AND PAYING HIGHER PRICES AND IS SO FORTH. THEY DID A REAL STUDY THAT
SAYS, THE CITY LOST MONEY BECAUSE OF VACATION RENTALS. NOT GAINED MONEY. ON THE OTHER SIDE, ARE WE
PERHAPS ATTRACTING A DIFFERENT KIND OF VISITOR,
VISITOR WHO PERHAPS WOULD NOT STAY AT TURTLE BAY.>>THEY ALWAYS HAVE. I THINK ONE VERY IMPORTANT
THING TO UNDERSTAND ABOUT OUR TOURISM INDUSTRY IS THAT IT’S
BEEN VERY FLEXIBLE AND I THINK THE STATE OF HAWAI’I HAS
RECOGNIZED, AS COUNTIES AND OTHER, THAT WE DO NEED
DIFFERENT NICHES IN OUR MARKET THAT’S CORRECT. STATE OF HAWAII HAS
RECOGNIZED IT.>>BUT ONE, I THINK ISSUE WITH
YOUR JOB COMMENT, BECAUSE THE KIND OF JOBS THAT ARE PRODUCED
IN THE VACATION RENTAL INDUSTRY COMPARED TO JOBS
PRODUCED IN OUR HOTEL INDUSTRY, IT’S LIKE NIGHT AND
DAY.>>IS IT?>>HOTEL WORKERS IN WAIKIKI
HAVE A LIVING WAGE. HAVE RETIREMENT. $25 AN HOUR. MINIMUM WAGE.>>PARDON ME?>>THE OTHER —
>>$25 IS NOT A LIVING WAGE IN ANYWAY.>>17 OR $18 LIVING WAGE.>>$40 AN HOUR.>>AVERAGE COST FOR TWO
BEDROOM APARTMENT, FOR SOMEBODY TO RENT IS BETWEEN
1900 AND $2,100 A MONTHS. YOU KNOW HOW MUCH MONEY YOU
HAVE TO EARN AN HOUR?>>43 BUCKS AN HOUR.>>$34 AN HOUR.>>THAT’S RIGHT. OBJECTLY A CONTENTIOUS ISSUE. AIRB&B DID ADVERTISE. LET’S TAKE A LOOK AT AIRB&B
COMMERCIAL FOR HAWAI’I. FOLLOW IT WITH A TV COMMERCIAL
THAT REPRESENTS A DIFFERENT OPINION. THIS HOUSE IS A HUMBLE DREAM
HOUSE. DREAM HOME.>>LIVING IN HAWAI’I SAY
EXPENSIVE TO LIVE. AIRB&B REALLY HELPS.>>WONDERFUL. FROM VERY FIRST DAY, WE HAD
PEOPLE IN.>>EXTRA INCOME HAS BEEN
HELPFUL TO US BECAUSE IT HELPS US FINANCIALLY WITH MORTGAGE.>>RATHER THAN HAVE TO RUSH
BACK TO WORK RIGHT AWAY, WE WERE ABLE TO TAKE OFF A LITTLE
MORE TIME BECAUSE WE THAT EXTRA INCOME FROM AIRB&B. AIRB&B GIVES US THE
FLEXIBILITY TO BE HOME WITH OUR SON.>>WE APPRECIATE THESE
STORIES. BUT AIRB&B’S REAL STORY IS A
MAINLAND INVESTORS AND ILLEGAL HOTEL OPERATORS
INVADING OUR COMMUNITIES WITH THOUSANDS OF ILLEGAL VACATION
RENTALS. SENDING PROFITS TO THE
MAINLAND, LEAVING HAWAI’I WITH FEWER HOMES FOR LOCAL
PEOPLE, NO WONDER 74% OF US OPPOSE AIRB&B LISTING ILLEGAL
RENTALS. NOW, AIRB&B WANTS A SPECIAL
LOOPHOLE TO CONTINUE THEIR PRACTICES. LOOPHOLES, ILLEGAL RENTALS. LEARN THE FACTS AT
AIRB&BWATCH.ORG.>>Yunji: THERE YOU HAVE IT. TWO VERY DIFFERENT OPINIONS
ON THIS ISSUE. ALSO, THE CALLS ARE STARTING
TO COME IN AND QUITE A FEW OF YOU CALLING IN TONIGHT. SEAN FROM KANEOHE SAYS THAT HE
FEELS THAT IT IS UNFAIR THAT BIG BUSINESS WITH HOTELS IS
LEGAL BUT COMMON MAN WITH HOME B&B IS ILLEGAL. WHAT DO YOU THINK ABOUT THAT?>>IT’S LIKE COMPARING APPLES
AND ORANGES. OUR HOTEL OPERATORS THAT HAVE
BEEN PROVIDING GOOD JOBS FOR THIS COMMUNITY THAT FOLLOW
LAW, THAT PAY THEIR FAIR SHARE OF TAXES, ARE ALSO SUBJECT TO
A WHOLE SLEW OF SAFETY REQUIREMENTS. YOU KNOW, ONE ISSUE THAT CAME
UP WHEN WE WERE OPPOSING AIRB&B AND THEIR ATTEMPT AT
LEGALIZING THESE VACATION RENTAL UNITS IS SAFETY ISSUE. ALL OF OUR TRADITIONAL HOTELS
HAVE DISASTER PLANS. AND HOW MANY TSUNAMI WARNINGS
HAVE WE HAD IN RECENT YEARS? THEY HAVE VERY ELABORATE
EVACUATION PLANS. HOW DOES THE CITY & COUNTY OF
HONOLULU OR ANY COUNTY ACCOUNT FOR THE THOUSANDS OF
LIVES THAT ARE IN OUR NEIGHBORHOOD? WHAT HAPPENS WHEN A NATURAL
DISASTER HAPPENS? AND WE’VE GOT TO EVACUATE LOW
LYING AREA LIKE SOMEWHERE ALONG THE NORTH SHORE OF OAHU
OR KAILUA. THE UNINTENDED CONSEQUENCES
OF WHAT HAPPENS WHEN WE MOVE TOWARDS LEGALIZING VACATION
RENTALS ISN’T JUST ABOUT MONEY. ISN’T A QUESTION OF WHAT WE
PERMIT AS LEGAL OR ILLEGAL. THIS IS A QUESTION OF WHETHER
OR NOT WE’RE GOING TO BE ABLE TO HAVE A SUSTAINABLE
INDUSTRY IN HAWAI’I THAT PROVIDES GOOD JOBS FOR LOCAL
PEOPLE OR JOBS WHERE PEOPLE ARE GETTING PAID UNDER THE
TABLE.>>I WOULD LIKE TO THROW IN ON
THAT. WHEN YOU SAY THAT IT PROVIDES
JOB, THEY PROVIDE JOBS WITH NO FICA BEING PAID. NO SOCIAL SECURITY.>>THAT’S NOT TRUE. THEY DON’T PAY, HAVE ANY
RETIREMENT FUND.>>THAT’S NOT TRUE.>>THEY DON’T.
KNOW THE PEOPLE WHO RUN THESE.>>I KNOW A BIT ABOUT IT. THEY DON’T PAY TAXES EITHER.>>THEY’RE NOT EQUIVALENT
JOBS AT ALL.>>I WANT TO RESPOND TO CADE. VACATION RENTALS, B&B’S ON
OAHU HAVE BEEN OPERATING NOW FOR 50 YEARS, 60 YEARS. I DON’T KNOW HOW LONG IT’S
BEEN. BEEN A LONG TIME AND THEY
DON’T HAVE THE FACILITIES IN PLACE IN THE EVENT OF TSUNAMI. DON’T HAVE EMERGENCY PLANS IN
PLACE. OPERATING WITH ZERO
REGULATIONS, ZERO STANDARDATION AND ZERO
EFFECTIVE TAXATION FOR THE LONGEST TIME. THAT REGULATION, IDEA OF
PUTTING REGULATIONS IN PLACE OF STANDARDIZING SOME LAW
THAT THEY FOLLOW GIVING THEM SOME LEADERSHIP, SOME
DIRECTION, TELLING THEM WHAT THEY NEED DO IN THE EVENT OF
EMERGENCY, THAT’S IMPORTANT AROUND WE’RE NOT GOING TO BE
ABLE TO COMMUNICATE THAT INFORMATION WITH KEEP
DECLARING THEM ILLEGAL.>>I COME IN AND SAY, ONCE
AGAIN YOU HAVE TO SEPARATE BED & BREAKFAST, HOME STAY,
SOMEONE RENTING A HOME IN THEIR STAY VERSUS A VACATION
RENTAL UNIT. THEY KEEP PUTTING IT
TOGETHER. YOU SEE, EVEN THE AD THEY SAY
VACATION RENTAL UNITS AND AIRB&B IS CALLING, BUT
THEY’RE RENTING A ROOM. THEY HAVE TO SEPARATE IT
COMPLETELY. BECAUSE THEY ARE NOT THE SAME
THING. THAT IS ALSO WHERE IT COMES IN
THAT IF YOU LIVE IN YOUR HOME AND YOU WANT TO RENT A ROOM
OUT, YOU ARE THERE. YOU WILL BE TELL THEM TO BE
QUIET BECAUSE YOU’RE LIVING THERE. YOU WILL TELL THEM TO PARK
RATHER THAN AT THE BEACH. THERE’S SUCH A DISTINCT
DIFFERENCE. YOU MUST NOT TALK THEM IN THE
SAME.>>LOCAL 5 DOESN’T AGREE TO
THAT DIFFERENCE.>>YES, THEY DO. PROPERTIES THAT WE’RE TALKING
ABOUT ARE WHOLE HOME RENTALS. CORRECT. THAT’S WHAT AIRB&B HAS. THIS IS A WHOLE DIFFERENT
DEAL. THESE ARE INVESTORS, 70% OF
THESE PEOPLE ARE INVESTORS. THEY ARE NOT ON THE ISLAND
HAVING A SECOND HOME. LOCAL FAMILIES THAT OWN
PROPERTIES IN WAIMANALO, KAILUA.>>VERY FEW. RENTING THEIR PROPERTIES.>>30% I’LL GIVE IT TO YOU. NOT THE MAJORITY.>>HAWAI’I TOURISM AUTHORITY,
LAST YEAR, 70% OF THE PROPERTIES ARE OFFERED BY OUT
OF STATE PROPERTY OWNERS.>>YES. WHICH MEANS NOT A ROOM. THIS IS NOT A ROOM IN
SOMEBODY’S HOME.>>NO. THAT’S DIFFERENT.>>WE NEED TO DIVIDE THIS
ISSUE UP AND GET ON THE REAL THING, THE REAL OFFENSIVE
THING WHICH IS THE WHOLE HOUSE RENTALS AND THE LACK OF
ENFORCEMENT BY THE CITY AND THE DAMAGES IT’S DOING TO OUR
NEIGHBORHOODS.>>Yunji: ON THAT POINT, ON
THAT POINT, CALLER SAYS THAT THEY BELIEVE THAT HAWAIIAN
CULTURE HAS BEEN DESTROYED IN WAIKIKI BY THE INFLUX OF
TOURISTS. HE SAYS HE DOESN’T WANT TO SEE
THE REST OF OAHU SPOILED BY TOURISTS EVERYWHERE. WHAT ABOUT THAT? THAT IDEA?>>THAT’S AT HTA PROBLEM. A WHOLE OTHER SHOW. YOU KNOW, THEIR JOB IS TO JUST
BRING MORE AND MORE AND MORE AND MORE TOURISTS IN. WE’RE AT 9 MILLION NOW. THERE IS NO TOP NUMBER. THERE IS NO CEILING ANY OF
THIS AND WE HAVE ZERO INFRASTRUCTURE FOR WHAT WE
ARE HAVING NOW. WE DON’T HAVE THE ROADS. THAT’S WHY WE HAVE TRAFFIC
EVERY SINGLE DAY ON THE NORTH SHORE. EVERY DAY OF THE WEEK. ONE THING I WANT TO SHARE
THAT WE FOUND, THAT I FOUND QUITE DISTURBING, IS THAT ON
AIRB&B’S WEBSITE, SOMEONE HAS THE GALL TO LIST A TEST RENTAL
IN MAKUA VALLEY.>>SERIOUS TOOL SHED ON MAUI.>>WITH A COT AND GARDEN HOSE
AND EXTENSION CORD.>>I THINK THIS WILL HAVE, TO
THAT CALLER, TO THAT PERSON WHO SENT IN THAT QUESTION, I
THINK THE PROBLEM AND THE IMPACT THAT TOURISTS WILL
HAVE OR THAT COME TO OUR ISLAND WILL HAVE OR ISLANDS
WILL HAVE, IF THEY STAY THIS VACATION RENTALS, IS
POTENTIALLY BE EVEN WORSE. THERE IS NO WAY, IT WAS CRAZY. RENTING A TENT IN MAKUA
VALLEY? PUBLIC BEACH.>>WE ALTHOUGH THAT TOURISM IS
THE HEART OF THE ECONOMY. BUT THE BIG DIFFERENCE IS
THIS. I READ AN HCA STUDY OR REPORT
LAURA THIELEN MADE PUBLIC THAT 9 MILLION TOURISTS A
YEAR, WE’RE GETTING NOW, VERSUS THE 6 MILLION WE WERE
GETTING IN 1988 IN REAL MONEY WE’RE COLLECTING LESS NOW OR
9 MILLION TOURISTS THAN WE WERE FOR 6, 30 YEARS AGO.>>
>>Yunji: YOU’RE ATTRIBUTING THAT TO THE VACATION RENTAL
INDUSTRY.>>PARTLY BECAUSE THEY SPEND
A LOT LESS.>>Yunji: I SEE HEAD SHAKING
OVER HERE.>>IMPACTING ENTIRE ECONOMY
STATE OF HAWAII.>>HOW MUCH MONEY WAS LEFT IN
THE POCKET BUSINESS OF THE TOURIST INDUSTRY?>>YOU’RE SAYING THAT BECAUSE
OF VACATION RENTALS, THERE’S LESS NOW THAN THERE WAS 20
YEARS AGO?>>YES.>>Yunji: WE HAVE HUG WRITING
IN. I ASSURE YOU THAT ONE OUR HOME
IN ORDER TO STAY IN IT. WE ARE RENTING THE ENTIRE
HOME. WERE NOT PLEASED WITH THE
DISRUPTION OF ENTIRE NEIGHBORHOOD. PRESENT LAW SHOULD BE
ENFORCED. WHAT ABOUT ENFORCEMENT?>>THE VERY DIFFICULT. THE CORPORATION COUNSEL SET
OUT GUIDELINES FOR THE DEPARTMENT OF PLANNING &
PERMITTING THAT ARE VERY DIFFICULT FOR THEM TO FOLLOW. THEY ONLY HAVE 13 TO 15 PEOPLE
FOR THE ENTIRE ISLAND FOR ALL ZONING VIOLATIONS. IT’S DIFFICULT TO ENFORCE. IF YOU’RE A MANAGER WHAT, DO
YOU DO? YOU PUT YOUR PEOPLE ON
SOMETHING WHERE THEY CAN GET SOME RESULTS. SO TWO YEARS AGO, THEY PUT IN
$300,000 IN THE BUDGET AND HIRED A BUNCH OF RETIRED
INSPECTORS TO GO OUT FOR VACATION RENTALS AND THEY
WERE GOING GANG BUSTERS THE. AS SOON AS THE CITY SAW HOW
EFFECTIVE THEY ARE, PULLED THEM OFF. PUT $225,000 BACK INTO THE
GENERAL FUND. $25,000.>>RAISED $114,000 TO THE
PLANNING AN PERMITTING DEPARTMENT. THEY SAID THEY WERE GOING TO
RELEASE $300,000. ONLY RELEASED $100,000.>>GOT A LOT DONE FOR A LOT
LESS.>>SAID $75,000. PROBLEM HERE IS POLITICAL
WILL POWER. CITY DOESN’T REALLY WANT TO
ENFORCE. EVERYBODY KNOWS THAT. BECAUSE THEY’RE CONVINCED
THEY’RE MAKING MONEY. IT’S TOO MUCH TROUBLE. SOME OF OUR COUNCILMEMBERS
PERSONAL FRIENDS OPERATING ILLEGAL RENTALS. PUT THAT TOGETHER THE WEIGHT
IS NOT BEHIND IT. THE PUSH FROM THE MAYOR.>>THERE IS NO POLITICAL WILL. INSPECTOR COMES OUT, THEY ARE
NOT ALLOWED TO CROSS THE THRESHOLD. THEY CAN COME TO THE DOOR AND
SOMEBODY ASSIST, ARE YOU DOING VACATION
RENTALS? THEY SAY NO AND THEY HAVE TO
TURN AROUND AND WALK. WE’RE WASTING MONEY HAVING
THE INSPECTORS GO OUT. RIDICULOUS. WHEN IT COMES TO PROSECUTING
THESE CASES, CORP COUNSEL IS HOLDING EVIDENCE UP TO CIVIL
STANDARDS IN A CIVIL MATTER. THEY SAY YOU CAN’T PROSECUTE
THIS. YOU HAVE TO HAVE PROOF. THEY WANT LIKE, YOU KNOW,
RECORDS AND PAYMENTS AND CAR RENTALS. THESE PEOPLE LEFT THE ISLAND. THEY’RE NOT COMING BACK.>>IT’S THE INFORMATION FROM
THE HOST, THE HOST.>>THEY CAN’T EVEN ASK THE
HOST.>>DO YOU AGREE THERE DOES
NEED TO BE MORE ENFORCEMENT.>>THE LAW IS BROKEN. FLAWED. CAN’T BE ENFORCED. FOR EXAMPLE BIG FLAW IS THE
WORD COMPENSATION. IT SAYS FOR COMPENSATION. TALKS ABOUT ALL THE THINGS
THAT GO ON WITH PEOPLE STAYING. IT SAYS FOR COMPENSATION. CITY & COUNTY OF HONOLULU HAS
SAID IN COURT IF YOU GIVE US THIS TAX DOCUMENTS WE’LL SHOW
YOU COMPENSATION. THE JUDGE PULLS THEM ASIDE AND
SAYS YOU’RE NOT GOING TO GET THEIR TAX DOCUMENTS. DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING ELSE FOR
COMPENSATION? YOU’LL HAVE TO SETTLE AGAINST
THEM OR RULED AGAINST IN COURT. COMPENSATION ISSUE IS
OVERWHELMING. TRY TO DO CHANGE THAT WHEN
PETER CARLISLE CAME N GOT TO CRACK DOWN. DAVID TANOUYE SAID THAT,
CAN’T DO THAT. THE LAW IS BROKEN. NEED TO GET RID OF THE
COMPENSATION LAWS THE. WENT WITH THE BILL TO AMEND
CHAPTER 21 INTO MEETINGS HELD AT THE PACIFIC AUDITORIUM IN
HONOLULU. A THOUSAND PEOPLE THAT SHOWED
UP. 800 OF THEM YOU’VE GOT TO LET
US HAVE SOME KIND OF LICENSING FOR VACATION RENTALS, BED &
BREAKFAST. 200 PEOPLE WERE THERE SAYING,
OH, NO. IT’S RUINING OUR
NEIGHBORHOODS. TERRIBLE. JOBS CREATING JUST TERRIBLE.>>Yunji: DO YOU THINK THERE
SHOULD BE MORE PERMITS ISSUED TO ALLEVIATE?>>NO. HERE’S WHY. OWNER OCCUPANTS? ENFORCE THE LAW?>>I’LL ADDRESS THAT LATER. UNTIL WE KNOW WHAT WE CAN
ENFORCE, THE PEOPLE, LET’S SAY YOU PASS A NEW PERMITTING
BILL AND ISSUE ANOTHER 5,000 PERMITS AND THE PEOPLE DON’T
GET PERMITS ARE GOING TO CONTINUE OPERATING ILLEGALLY
LIKE THEY ARE NOW BECAUSE THERE WON’T BE ANY
IMPROVEMENT IN ENFORCE. UNTIL WE CAN AUTOMAT AND
ENFORCEMENT, CHANGE THE LAW TO READ OFFER INSTEAD OF
COMPENSATION, SO ADVERTISING CAN BE USED, BUT SEE, ALL OF
HAS BEEN PUSHED AT THE CITY BEFORE AND THEY ALWAYS REFUSE
TO HEAR IT.>>REFUSE TO CHANGE THE LAW. MAYOR WON’T SUPPORT IT. THE POLITICAL WILL POWER IS
THE THING THAT IS MISSING.>>Yunji: YOU DON’T HAVE TO
THIS INEXPECTERS TRYING TO GO OUT DOING THINGS. SAN FRANCISCO, NEW YORK,
PRIMA FACIE PROOF YOU ARE DOING IT. JUST NEED ONE PERCENT SURFING
THE WEB. HAVE THE ADDRESS ON IT. DESCRIPTION OF THE PLACE. DOESN’T TAKE THAT MUCH. CITY HAS NO WAY TO COLLECT. ADMINISTRATIVE FINES WAS ZERO
ENFORCEMENT. NO CONSEQUENCES FOR DOING
ILLEGAL ACTIVITY AT ALL. NOTHING TO PASS UNTIL THERE IS
ENFORCEMENT. AND WE’VE GOT TO FIND THE
POLITICAL WILL DO THAT. OTHERWISE, IT’S TOO MUCH. WHAT HAPPENED IN THE UNITED
STATES IN 1921 ‘TIL 1933, WHAT’S CALLED PROHIBITION. AND IT CREATED A HUGE MARKET,
HUGE MARKET BECAUSE THE PEOPLE REFUSED IT STOP
DRINKING AND THEY FINALLY HAD TO SAY, OKAY, WE’LL DO AWAY
WITH PROHIBITION BECAUSE WE CAN’T ENFORCE IT. DEALING WITH THE SAME THING
WITH THE LAW.>>Yunji: ARE YOU SAYING WE
SHOULD JUST LET LOOSE AND EVERYONE SHOULD BE ALLOWED TO
DO WHATEVER WE WANT?>>UNITED STATES CONFERENCE
OF MAYORS SAYS YOU SHOULD ALLOW PERMITTING. WITH PERMITTING HAVE A THE GUY
APPLY FOR THE PERMIT. YOU HAVE THE ADDRESS TOO CLOSE
TO THE SPACE. CAN’T HAVE A VACATION RENTAL. OPEN ONE, WE HAVE A DOCUMENT
YOU ASSIGNED. APPLIED FOR A PERMIT. RUNNING A VACATION RENTAL
ILLEGAL.>>I WANT TO SAY SOMETHING
ABOUT ENFORCEMENT. A LOT, PARTICULARLY FOR THE
CITY & COUNTY OF HONOLULU, WHERE OUR MEMBERSHIP IS
PRIMARILY BASED I THINK WE’VE SEEN A CHANGE FROM, IN A GOOD
WAY IN TERMS OF THE ATTITUDE OF THE CURRENT CITY COUNCIL. AT LEAST CHANGE IN THE
LEADERSHIP I THINK. WE HAVE BEEN WORKING AND
HAVING CONVERSATIONS WITH DPP AS WELL AS CHAIR OF CITY
COUNCIL AND ADMINISTRATION ON WAYS IN WHICH WE CAN PROVIDE
BETTER AND SUPPLEMENTAL TO THE CITY TO BE ABLE TO ENFORCE
EXISTING LAWS. ONE OF THOSE IDEAS IS TO
INSTITUTE PRIVATE ENFORCEMENT. YOU KNOW, ONE THE PROBLEMS
THAT WE FOUND, DPP ADMITTED THIS AND WILL READILY ADMIT
THIS, LAST YEAR, THEY INVESTIGATED OVER 3,000
COMPLAINTS. OVER 3,000 COMPLAINTS. LESS THAN 100 OF THEM RESULTED
IN VIOLATIONS. AND LESS THAN HALF OF THEM
ACTUALLY STUCK. SO YOU KNOW, DPP IS
DESPERATELY LOOKING AT WAYS IN WHICH IT CAN ADDRESS THIS
PROBLEM. THAT’S TRUE. I THINK CHAIR, THE CHAIR OF
THE CITY COUNCIL, COUNCILMEMBER MENOR HAS
INTRODUCED RESOLUTION 1752 THAT WOULD BRING ABOUT
THIS CHANGE AND INTRODUCE PRIVATE ENFORCEMENT AS A WAY
TO SUPPLEMENT.>>Yunji: WE WANT TO BRING THE
AUDIENCE ON THIS TOO. EDDIE WRITES IN, I FEEL
BIGGEST ISSUE WITH HAVING A COMPLETE HOUSE RENTED FROM AN
OWNER IS THAT THE PERSON WHO IS NOT IN THE ISLAND, GUEST
BECOMES NEIGHBORS. IF NO MANAGER IS ON PROPERTY
OR PRESENT, THE ISSUE WITH THE RENTERS BECOMES EVERY
NEIGHBOR’S PROBLEM. IF WE HAD AN ISSUE WHERE
EVERYONE CAN GET A PERMIT. SOMEBODY SAYS, IT’S AFTER
10:00, OR IF YOU’RE ON PROPERTY AT YOUR PLACE, I’M
SURE YOU TELL THEM, OKAY, NO BEER FOR YOU TONIGHT.>>SOME OF OUR NEIGHBORS ARE
REALLY CLOSE TO US. YOU HAVE MY PHONE NUMBER AT
HOME. CALL ME IF THERE’S A PROBLEM. CALL THE POLICE IF YOU DON’T
REACH ME. I HAVE NO PROBLEM WITH THAT AT
ALL. THEY HAVE TO LIVE WITHIN THE
RULES OF THE PLACE. AND I’M NOT OUT THERE
6 MILLION ACRES. I HAVE NEIGHBORS.>>WHOLE STATE IS ESSENTIALLY
A HOTEL WHO IS REGULATING THAT.>>RIGHT.>>I’M A LITTLE BIT CONFUSED
BIT WHOLE THING. IDEA THAT THE PERSON ON THE
PROPERTY CONTROLS THE PROPERTY IS CORRECT. THE FACT THAT MY
UNDERSTANDING IS 80% OF THE STATE OF HAWAII SAYS OWNER
OCCUPANTS SHOULD BE ALLOWED TO RENT OUT THEIR OWN
PROPERTY. I’M NOT SURE IF LOCAL 5 DOES
HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THAT.>>WITH WHAT?>>LOCAL OWNER OCCUPANTS
RENTING OUT. NOT AT ALL. WHEN HAVE WE SAID THAT? I SAID OVER AND OVER, WE
RECOGNIZE THAT THERE IS A NICHE MARKET. SECONDLY, THOSE WHO NEED TO BE
ABLE TO RENT OUT A ROOM SHOULD BE ABLE TO SUPPORT AND PAY FOR
THE RISING COSTS OF PROPERTY TAXES AND WATER AND SEWAGE. WHY SHOULD WE PENALIZE THOSE
INDIVIDUALS? WE’RE NOT TALKING ABOUT THAT. WE’RE TALKING ABOUT ENTIRE
HOMES RENTED OUT.>>NOT TALKING ABOUT SHORT
STAY RENTALS.>>30% OF THOSE HOMES ARE
OWNED BY OUT-OF-STATE RESIDENTS. WE TALK ABOUT POLITICAL WILL. ONE THING WE HAVE GOING FOR US
HAWAI’I IS THE ONLY STATE, AIRB&B IS ONE EXAMPLE OF THIS,
AIRB&B IS VALUED AT OVER $30 BILLION. OVER $30 BILLION. THEY’VE GONE AROUND FROM CITY
TO CITY, STATE TO STATE, IN AN ATTEMPT TO PASS LEGISLATION
THAT WOULD REGULATE AND ALLOW MORE VACATION RENTALS. HAWAI’I IS THE ONLY STATE THAT
HAS STOPPED AIRB&B. MULTI-BILLION DOLLAR
COMPANY. I THINK THE REASON, AIRB&B
SPENT CLOSE TO QUARTER OF A MILLION DOLLARS IN THE LAST 3
WEEKS OF LEGISLATION THIS YEAR ON AN ACT WE JUST SAW. ONE THING THAT DISTINGUISHES
US FROM THE REST OF THE COUNTY, OUR ISLAND HOME IS OUR
ISLAND HOME. THE AMOUNT THAT WE HAVE IS
FINITE. WE HAVE SEEN MORE LOCAL PEOPLE
SHALING PUSHED OUT OF COMMUNITIES. 2010, HAWAI’I HAD FOURTH
HIGHEST RATE OF OUTMIGRATION. 2010. COST OF LIVING HAS
SKYROCKETED. THE ONE
DIFFERENCE, THE ONE THING THAT HAS ENABLED OUR
COMMUNITY TO STAND UP AGAINST THIS MULTI-BILLION DOLLAR
COMPANY RECOGNITION THIS IS NOT JUST A QUESTION OF
ENFORCEMENT. QUESTION IF WE’RE GOING TO
HAVE ENOUGH HOUSING OR LOCAL PEOPLE.>>ANOTHER THING ALONG THAT
LINE, WE HAVE 30 YEARS OF EXPERIENCE FIGHTING THIS
PROBLEM. I WAS INVOLVED BACK IN 1989. PERIPHERAL LEVEL. BUT SINCE THEN, I’VE BEEN VERY
INVOLVED IN IT. WE HAVE A LOT OF PEOPLE WHO
THIS IS AFFECTED. ESPECIALLY IN THE OLD DAYS. IT WAS NORTH SHORE MOSTLY. AND KAILUA. AND WAIMANALO. SO WE ALREADY HAD A GROUP OF
PEOPLE WHO WERE SAVVY ABOUT THIS PROBLEM. WHEN IT HIT HERE, WE WERE
READY FOR THEM. WE HAD ALREADY BEEN FIGHTING
AT THE CITY COUNCIL IN 205 AND 2006 AND 2009 AND 10. SO WHEN IT HIT HERE, LIKE IN
SAN FRANCISCO LIKE THEY’RE JUST SUDDENLY IT HIT THEM. SO THEY RESPONDED AND THEY DID
THE WRONG THING AND ALMOST EVERY CITY HAS DONE THE WRONG
THING AND REGRETTED IT. THEY’VE GOTTEN IN BED WITH
AIRB&B OR WHOEVER IT IS, AND THEY REGRETTED IT.
AND NOW THEY’RE TRYING TO BACK OUT OF THESE DEALS.>>I DON’T KNOW IF YOU CAN SAY
THEY REGRETTED. AWFUL LOT OF —
>>I WANT TO BRING IN ONE OTHER VOICE.>>CITY OF ANAHEIM IS
REGRETTING IT.>>LET’S GO TO TAPE. NORTH SHORE OF OAHU IS POPULAR
PLACE FOR HOME BASED SHORT-TERM RENTALS. WE DID SPEAK WITH A RESIDENT
WHO HAS SEEN THE IMPACT IN HER COMMUNITY. LET’S TAKE A LISTEN.>>PROBABLY GROWN BY AT
LEAST-ENTRY OF AIRB&B INTO THE MARKET. SEE PEOPLE DOING WHOLE HOME
RENTALS IN COMMUNITIES NEVER WOULD HAVE HAD BEFORE OUT IN,
SAY, EWA AND KALIHI. AIRB&B IS COMING IN AND
SAYING, WELL, YOU KNOW, THIS IS TO HELP PEOPLE WITH
INCOME AND TRUE IN SOME CASES. FOLKS BEEN WORKING ON
AFFORDABLE HOUSING ISSUES DO RESEARCH, I REMEMBER THIS
CAME UP AS AT THE LEGISLATURE LAST YEAR, WHEN FIGHTING
BILLS, CLOSE TO 85% AIRB&B ON OAHU ARE WHOLE HOMES. THIS HAS BEEN AUNTY OR UNCLE
RENTING OUT THE ROOM FOR A FEW EXTRA DOLLARS. SOMEBODY IS BUYING A PROPERTY
OR HAVE AN EXTRA HOME AND RENTING IT OUT. THAT’S OUR CONCERN. AIRB&B IS NOT CORRECTLY
CHARACTERIZING WHAT’S GOING ON.
AND IT’S GIVING THE FALSE IMPRESSION. STAY IN THE BACK ROOM, A LOT
LESS INTRUSIVE THAN IT IS. I LIVE IN A NICE MIDDLE CLASS
NEIGHBORHOOD ON THE NORTH SHORE. WE’RE NOT RIGHT ON THE OCEAN. SHORT WALK TO THE BEACH. BUT IN MY NEIGHBORHOOD, OLD
PLANTATION NEIGHBORHOOD, NOT FANCY HOMES THAT YOU WOULD
ASSUME, I KNOW PEOPLE ARE RENTING OUT WHOLE HOMES IN THE
BACK OF THE HOUSES.>>Yunji: PIGGYBACKING WHAT
SHE’S SAYING. SO MANY CALLS COMING IN
TONIGHT. TRY TO GET TO AS MANY AS
POSSIBLE. IF SHE WANTED TO LIVE WHERE
PEOPLE RENTED, SHE WOULD HAVE LIVED IN RESORT AIR OWNED
AREA. IN HER RESIDENTIAL AREA DOES
NOT FEEL SAFE WITH STRANGERS IN HER NEIGHBORHOOD. TAKING AWAY FROM THE
COMMUNITY TO HAVE ALL SHORT-TERM RENTERS. NO LONGER KNOWS WHO BELONGS IN
HER NEIGHBORHOOD. WHAT ABOUT THE SAFETY ISSUE?>>SAFETY ISSUE, ANY
INDIVIDUAL THAT IS INCARCERATED IN ANY PRISON,
ANYWHERE IN THE UNITED STATES THAT WAS EVER ARRESTED OR
COMMITTING SOME VIOLENT CRIME IN SOME VACATION RENTAL IN
HONOLULU, YOU READ ABOUT THE THING IN THE PAPER LAST WEEK
ABOUT THE VACATION RENTAL, ABOUT THE PROBLEMS CAUSED BY
THE VACATION RENTALS. YOU READ ABOUT THAT? NO, YOU DIDN’T BECAUSE WE
NEVER READ ABOUT THAT. NEVER SEE ANYTHING ABOUT
THAT. VACATION RENTALS HAVE WILD
PARTIES ON THE NORTH SHORE. HUNDREDS OF PEOPLE ARRESTED. 30 PEOPLE ARRESTED. TEN PEOPLE HIT BY CAR. WE NEVER READ ABOUT ANY
PROBLEM.>>Yunji: WHAT ABOUT THE
COMMUNITY FEEL? WHAT ABOUT KNOWING YOUR
NEIGHBORS?>>I THINK URSELLA IS
OVERSTATING IT. THE IDEA THESE PEOPLE ARE
CRIMINALS. NOT TRUE.>>NEIGHBORHOODS ON THE NORTH
SHORE, WHOLE STREETS AND AREAS ESPECIALLY ON THE NORTH
SHORE. THAT’S WHERE GROUND ZERO WAS
FOR THIS. THAT THE MAJORITY OF THE
HOMES, FOR INSTANCE, IN IN ONE NICE LITTLE EXCLUSIVE
NEIGHBORHOOD OUT OF THE 27 HOMES THAT ARE THERE, 24 OF
THEM ARE VACATION RENTALS. GATED COMMUNITY. NICE COMMUNITY. AND SO NO. WHAT IT IS THE THE NUMBERS. IT’S THE NUMBERS IN A HAVE
GOTTEN OUT OF HAND.>>NOT ONLY THAT INDIVIDUAL
CASES. GETTING INVOLVED WITH THIS
ISSUE FOR SUCH A LONG TIME AND HAVING A PUBLIC FACE. HAD A WEBSITE AND RAN ADS IN
NEWSPAPERS. I’VE GOTTEN CALLS, PROBABLY
GET ONE A MONTH AT LEAST, SOMETIMES MORE, FROM SOMEBODY
IN EWA, WAIANAE, MAKAHA. KALIHI VALLEY. WHEREVER. LIFE IT TERM. I CALLED DEPARTMENT OF
PLANNING AND PERMITTING. CALLED SOMEBODY OUT. HAVING PARTIES OVER THERE. I
CAN’T SLEEP AT NIGHT. THIS HOUSE IS 15 FEET FROM MY
HOUSE. WHAT DO I DO? I HEAR THE STORIES. I GIVE THEM THE DPP PHONE
NUMBER AND OF COURSE, THEY DON’T GET ANY ENFORCEMENT.>>Yunji: ON THE OR SIDE
TONIGHT, SHORT TERM RENTAL MARKET NOT ONLY STABILIZES
PEOPLE HOMEOWNERSHIP AND OFFERS VACATION RENTAL FOR
FAMILIES WITH CHILDREN. ENCOURAGES TOURISM AND BRINGS
MORE DOLLARS INTO OUR ECONOMY. ONCE AGAIN, IN HOME STAY.>>LOOK, I MEAN, I THINK
THAT’S GREAT FOR THE TOURISTS. WHAT ABOUT LOCAL PEOPLE LIKE
ME? AND I GET THAT PEOPLE WANT TO
BE ABLE TO RENT OUT A BEDROOM TO, AGAIN, HELP SUPPLEMENT
THEIR INCOME. BUT HOW DO, PEOPLE ARE GOING
TO LAUGH THAT KNOW ME. I’M BARELY A MILLENIAL. BARELY. IT’S REAL. I DON’T OWN A HOME. I’M A RENTER. IF I WANT TO BE — I CAN’T EVEN
THINK ABOUT SUPPLEMENTING MY INCOME TO BE ABLE TO PAY A
MORTGAGE BECAUSE I CAN’T AFFORD A MORTGAGE. SO WHAT IS HAPPENING TO THE
THOUSANDS ENTIRE GENERATION OF PEOPLE THAT ARE MY AGE THAT
ARE WORKING PROFESSIONALS THAT WANT TO STAY IN HAWAI’I,
THAT CALL HAWAI’I OUR HOME, THAT WANT TO RAISE OUR KIDS
HERE, WE DON’T HAVE A HOME TO SUPPLEMENT ANY INCOME AND
RENT A BEDROOM? WE CAN’T EVEN BARELY AFFORD
OUR RENT AND HOW CAN WE WHEN WE’VE GOT TO EARN OVER $34 AN
HOUR TO AFFORD A TWO BEDROOM APARTMENT? HOW DO WE AFFORD $880,000
HOME, $400,000 CONDOMINIUM?>>RIGHT.>>WHO ARE WE PRIORITIZING
HERE?>>NOT ONLY THAT, AFFECTED
HOUSING SO MUCH, THAT NOW WE HAVE THIS PHENOMENON. ON MY STREET, EVERYWHERE,
ADULT, CHILDREN LIVING AT PARENTS’ HOME. ACLPH. IT’S EVERYWHERE. EVERY HOUSE ON I CHILDREN HAS
AN ADULT INCLUDING MINE, HAS AN ADULT CHILD LIVING PARENTS
HOME. THEY USED TO MOVE OUT.>>HOW DO YOU AFFORD TO MOVE
OUT AT $9.25 AN HOUR? YOU CAN’T RENT A PLACE OR A
ROOM BECAUSE THEY WOULD RATHER THE RENT THE ROOM OUT
SHORT TERM BECAUSE THEY MAKE MONEY. LOCAL COUPLE WRITING IN. BORN AND RAISED IN KAILUA. HAVE A SMALL VACATION RENTAL
REGISTERED. THEY SAY THEY HAVE TO HAVE TO
MAKE ENDS MEET. WHAT IS IT WHAT YOU’RE TALKING
B BUYS A HOME AND TO PAY THE MORTGAGE, THEY HAVE TO HAVE
THAT.>>YOU KNOW, WE’RE NOT TALKING
ABOUT GOING AFTER OR FINDING WAY TO PENALIZE THOSE
INDIVIDUAL. QUESTION IS ARE WE GOING TO
PROTECTION OUR RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOOD AND KEEP THEM
RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOODS OR ALLOW THEM TO BECOME
CORPORATIZED? ARE WE GOING TO ALLOW HOTELS
ESSENTIALLY TO OPERATE IN OUR RESIDENTIAL AREAS?>>IF YOU WANT TO OPERATE A
VACATION RENTAL UNIT IN A RESORT AREA.>>GO AHEAD AND DO SO.>>IT’S THING IS, I HAD
ACTUALLY HAVE A FRIEND WHO THIS NICE COUPLE CAME ,THEY
WANTED TO RENT THE HOUSE, LONGTERM, THIS HAPPENED SAME
COUPLE WENT TO TWO DIFFERENT PEOPLE I KNOW. AND THEY WERE GOING TO RENT
THE HOUSE LONGTERM. THEY SAID GREAT, GOING TO RENT
IT LONGTERM. THEY WERE NEVER GOING TO LIVE
THERE. THEY MADE IT SHORT TERM. AND GUESS WHAT IS THIS THEY
DON’T GET IN TROUBLE. THE OWNER WILL GET IN TROUBLE
IF ANYBODY GOT IN TROUBLE. NOBODY GETS IN TROUBLE. SOME OF THESE PEOPLE ARE JUST
SERIOUSLY LOOKING AT IT LIKE, IT’S JUST A WAY TO MAKE MONEY. THEY WEREN’T EVER GOING TO
LIVE THERE.>>THERE’S A HOUSE IN THAT
AREA IN KAILUA. THEY ARE RUN UP OVER $600,000
IN FINE. NO REGRETS. SETTLED FOR $1,000. REPORTED TO BE DOING IT AGAIN. WENT TO. COURT. GOT A SETTLEMENT. $1,000. NOW REPORTED, NEIGHBORS ARE
COMPLAINING TO ME THAT THEY’RE RENTING OUT SHORT
TERM AGAIN. SO THIS LACK OF ENFORCEMENT. OVERSHADOWS EVERYTHING WE’RE
TALKING ABOUT.>>CORRECT. EVERYTHING. SO IF YOU DON’T HAVE
ENFORCEMENT, YOU CAN TALK ABOUT THIS KIND OF
PERMITTING. ONE REASON WE NEVER SEPARATED
TUTU WITH THE SINGLE ROOM FROM VACATION RENTAL IS BECAUSE
WOULD WHEN THEY COME TO THE COUNCIL, THEY COME TOGETHER. THEY WEAR THE SAME HATS. THEY WEAR THE SAME
TEE-SHIRTS. THEY PRESENT SAME STORY. IF YOU PERMIT TUTU AND GIVE
PERMITTING PROCESS WITH NO ENFORCEMENT, EVERY VACATION
RENTAL IS GOING TO SUDDENLY BECOME TUTU. AND GET A PERMIT. AND GO ON OPERATING JUST LIKE
THEY ARE NOW. BECAUSE THEY’RE ALREADY DOING
IT.>>Yunji: WHAT IS THE SOLUTION
THEN?>>THE CITY TO GET ITS ACT
TOGETHER AND PASS EFFECTIVE LEGISLATION THAT ALLOWS
ENFORCEMENT TO PROCEED. IT HAS TO BE AUTOMATED. DONE THROUGH ADVERTISING OR
OFFERING RATHER THAN ACTUALLY RECEIVING MONEY. THEY DID IT ON MAUI. STING OPERATIONS ON MAUI. THEY JUST WENT UP AND MADE
RESERVATIONS AND USED ENFORCEMENT. THEY WON’T DO THAT IN HONOLULU
WITHOUT SOME WISE, WE DON’T DO THAT HERE.>>LAWS ARE CLEAR. ALREADY ORDINANCES THAT
DEFINE WHAT THESE THINGS ARE, AS I SAID. THERE’S NO QUESTION THEY
DON’T NEED TO REDEFINE ANYTHING. THEY’RE THERE. WITH THE DPP’S HANDS ARE TIED
BECAUSE OUR CITY COUNCIL I’M AFRAID TO SAY, IS AFRAID TO
ACT. DPP IS FRUSTRATED. THEY HAVE NO TOOLS.>>Yunji: YOU THINK THAT THE
STATE HAS A ROLE? ANY OF THIS?>>YES AND NO. STATE CARES ABOUT THE TAXES. THEY SAID, IT’S NOT OUR
PROBLEM OF YOU CITY & COUNTY DEAL WITH IT. WE JUST WANT THE TAX DOLLARS. THEY DON’T WORK TOGETHER. OUR CITY NEEDS TO WORK FOR OUR
PEOPLE. AND THEY ARE JUST IGNORING,
IGNORING IT. I MEAN, I THINK, THE
COUNCILMAN SAID TO ME, WHAT DO YOU THINK? WHAT DO YOU WANT TO DO? HE SAID, IT’S COMPLICATED.>>IT’S COMPLICATED BUT IT’S
NOT COMPLICATED. WE ARE, IF WE’RE GOING TO
ADDRESS THIS PROBLEM AND FIND A WAY TO CONTINUE TO CALL
HAWAI’I OUR HOME, WE’VE GOT TO GET SERIOUS ABOUT HOUSING. WE REALLY DO. OUR GOVERNOR HAS MADE
PROCLAMATIONS ABOUT BUILDING MORE AFFORDABLE HOUSING. THAT’S GREAT. SO HAS THE MAYOR OF OUR CITY
AND THAT’S GREAT. IF YOU LOOK AT THE AMOUNT OF
HOUSING UNITS THEY’RE TALKING ABOUT, IT’S VERY MINIMAL. IT’S BARELY GOING TO MAKE A
DENT. IF YOU LOOK AT THE GROWTH, IF
YOU WANT TO GET SERIOUS ABOUT HOUSING, YOU’VE GO TO GET
SERIOUS ABOUT UNDERSTANDING GROWING RATE OF ILLEGAL
VACATION RENTAL MARKET. WE TOOK HTA’S PROJECTION IN
TERMS OF THE AMOUNT OF CURRENTLY INDIVIDUAL UNITS
BEING USED AS VACATION RENTALS. AND WE PROJECTED THAT OUT. IT’S NEARLY 400 HOMES, NEARLY
400 HOMES A MONTH ARE BEING CONVERTED INTO VACATION
RENTALS. 400 HOMES A MONTH. IN THE YEAR-AND-A-HALF, IT’S
GOING TO BE OVER 40,000 HOMES IN THE STATE OF HAWAI’I THAT
ARER GOING TO BE USED AS VACATION RENTALS. THE STATE, SAID. DBEDT CAME UP WITH A STUDY,
SAID BY 2025, WE’RE GOING TO BE IN NEED OF 65,000
AFFORDABLE UNITS OR HOMES. HOW ARE WE EVER GOING TO GET
THERE WHEN MORE AND MORE HOMES ARE BEING TAKEN OUT OF OUR
RENTAL AND OWNERSHIP MARKET.>>HOW ARE WE GOING TO GET
THERE WHEN WE’RE BUILDING MILLION DOLLARS CONDOMINIUMS
ALONG ALA MOANA BOULEVARD.>>Yunji: THAT’S A TOPIC FOR
ANOTHER SHOW. GOING BACK TO THE NUMBERS, ARE
THOSE NUMBERS STATEWIDE, 400 CONVERSIONS?>>YES. STATE. THAT’S THE STATEWIDE. THE STATE’S NUMBER IN TERMS OF
65,000 UNITS BY 2025 IS A STATE NUMBER AS WELL. THIS IS NOT JUST ISLAND BY
ISLAND. THIS IS A STATEWIDE ISSUE. IF WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT
HAWAII IS STRONG AND VIBRANT, THAT WE HAVE A GOOD TOURIST
BASE AS OUR ECONOMY, KEEP OUR BRIGHTEST YOUNG PEOPLE HERE
IN THE ISLANDS, GOT TO HAVE A ROBUST ECONOMY, YES, THAT’S
TRUE. BUT WE’VE GOT TO BE ABLE TO GET
SERIOUS ABOUT WHERE WE’RE GOING TO HOUSE OUR LOCAL
PEOPLE. I MEAN, IT’S A REAL CHALLENGE
FOR US AS A COMMUNITY. IF WE’RE GOING TO BE SERIOUS
ABOUT THAT, THAT’S WHERE WE NEED THE POLITICAL WILL. WE’VE GOT TO, OF COURSE,
ADDRESS THESE ISSUES IN TERMS OF POLICY. I WOULD SAY AGAIN, LEADERSHIP
OF THE CURRENT COUNCIL ON OAHU IS TAKING SOME STEPS TO MOVE
IN THAT DIRECTION. THEY’VE NOT TO MOVE QUICKER
BUT THEY’RE AT LEAST MOVING IN THAT DIRECTION. COUNTY OF MAUI IS MOVING IN
THAT DIRECTION AS WELL. COUNTY OF MAUI, YOU KNOW, IS
MOVING TOWARDS HIRING COMPANY TO LOOK AT ALL OF THE ILLEGAL
OF VACATION RENTALS LISTED ON LINE AND IN AN ATTEMPT TO TRY
TO GO AFTER THEM.>>YOU JUST NEED ONE PERSON,
TWO PEOPLE. LISTED. WE’RE TALKING AIRB&B, AIRB&B. THAT’S THE NOISIEST ONE AT THE
MOMENT. BUT THERE ARE DOZENS OF BOOK
PLATFORM. CONSEQUENTLY, THE NUMBERS ARE
WAY LARGER. THIS IS JUST AIRB&B NUMBERS. AND SO IF YOU ADD IN ALL THE
OTHER ONES, YOU’RE TALKING THOUSANDS MORE. IT’S NOT JUST AIRB&B ISSUE. IT’S ALL THE BOOKING
PLATFORMS AND THAT MANY NUMBERS HAVE TO AFFECT
HOUSING.>>THAT IS TRUE. DEFINITELY TRUE. BUT AIRB&B IS ALSO THE LARGEST
BIGGEST FASTEST GROWING PLAYER.>>AIRB&B DID NOT, WORLDWIDE,
WHEN AIRB&B LAUNCHED THEY LAUNCHED ON ALL THE
CONTINENTS AT ONCE. TALK ABOUT A SOPHISTICATED
OPERATION, THEY DID IT ALL AT ONCE. THEY ARE A SOPHISTICATED
ORGANIZATION.>>Yunji: LET’S BRING IN SOME
OF THESE CALLS TONIGHT DIANE HALEIWA WRITING IN, PEOPLE
DON’T WANT TO BUY A HOUSE WHEN THE NEXTDOOR HOUSE IS RENTED
TO AIRB&B TRAVELERS. THE HOUSE VALUE DECREASES
TREMENDOUSLY. ARE THERE ANY COMPENSATED FOR
THE OWNER OF THE AFFECTED HOUSE?>>YES. UNDER STATE LAW, THERE ARE
GROUNDS, THERE IS A WAY UNDER STATE LAW TO SUE FOR ZONING
VIOLATIONS. AND CASE TOOK PLACE ON THE
NORTH SHORE ABOUT TEN YEARS AGO, WITH SEMI SUCCESSFUL IN
THAT LAW WAS UPHELD BY THE APPEALS COURT AND SO FORTH. SO THAT IS AVAILABLE TO
PEOPLE. IT’S EXPENSIVE AND PEOPLE
KIND OF AFRAID TO DO IT. BUT THE BILL, MR. WATANABE
WAS TALKING ABOUT IN FRONT OF THE COUNCIL NOW, WOULD ADD TO
THAT BY KIND OF EMBELLISHING OR IMPROVING PRIVATE RIGHT OF
ENFORCEMENT. GOING BACK TO ENFORCEMENT
JUST FOR A SECOND, ONE MAJOR PROBLEM WE HAVE WITH THE
DEPARTMENT OF PLANNING AND PERMITTING, USED TO BE THE DID
THE OF LAND UTILIZATION AND BUILDING DEPARTMENT. THEY USED TO DO THEIR
ENFORCEMENT. NOW, THE ALL ONE DEPARTMENT
AND YOU HAVE PROFESSIONAL PLANNER IN CHARGE OF
ENFORCEMENT. THAT IS NOT THEIR MANTRA. THEY’RE NICE PEOPLE. GREAT DESIGNERS. BUT THEY’RE NOT POLICEMEN. SO LAST YEAR, 2016, WHAT KIND
OF ENFORCEMENT? CHARTER COMMISSION. PUT FORTH CHANGE THE TITLE IN
THE DPP TO LAND USE ENFORCEMENT OFFICER. JUST CREATE A POSITION. WITH THE PEOPLE WHO ALREADY
ARE THERE. WOULDN’T COST A PENNY. DPP SAID NO. WE DON’T WANT THAT. KIND OF TELLS YOU THAT THEY’RE
NOT INTO IT.>>BACK IN THE DAY, PEOPLE
DON’T UNDERSTAND, BEFORE THERE WAS A — THERE WAS THE
LAW. HAD THIS REALLY STRANGE LAW
THAT WAS BY THE STATE. THE STATE HAS MORE TEETH THAN
THE CITY & COUNTY. I LITERALLY GOT RAIDED AT 7:30
IN THE MORNING WITH SHERIFFS, WITH SHOTGUNS. SO THEY CAN ENFORCE WHAT THEY
WANT TO. THAT WAS THROUGH THE STATE. THE CITY CAN’T DO ANYTHING. THEY HAD NO POWER. BUT THE STATE CAME AND JUST
ACCUSED ME OF DOING SOMETHING ILLEGAL. WITH SHOTGUNS.>>Yunji: SO ENFORCEMENT IS
THERE.>>LARRY, YOU CAN’T GO TO
COURT AND CAN’T GET A SEARCH WARRANT FOR PEOPLE HAVING
RENTALS. YOU CAN’T GET A SEARCH WARRANT
FOR IT. YOU CAN’T GO BUSTING INTO
PEOPLE’S HOMES. YOU CAN’T LOOKING INTO ONE
DOES.>>STING OPERATION WORKED ON
MAUI.>>CONSTITUTION OF THE UNITED
STATES, RELEASE THE CONSTITUTION OF UNITED
STATES, CITY & COUNTY OF HONOLULU WANTS TO DO IT. WE DON’T HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT
IT?>>WHAT ABOUT THIS CALLER IN
IS TO SAY, I AGREE, LIKE PROHIBITION, THIS INDUSTRY IS
DIFFICULT TO ENFORCE. WE NEED TO BE REALISTIC ABOUT
THE LAWS. IS HE RIGHT? ARE YOU LAWS UNREALISTIC?>>THE LAWS ARE SLIGHTLY
FLAWED. MAJOR PROBLEM IS POLITICAL
WILL POWER TO ENFORCE THE LAW. THE CHANGES THAT WE’VE TRIED
TO PUT THROUGH IN THE LAW, HAVE BEEN RESISTANT DUE TO
LACK OF POLITICAL WILL POWER. IN THE LAW WAS RIGHT AND CITY
WAS BEHIND IT, ENFORCEMENT WOULD TAKE PLACE.>>IF PEOPLE ARE CORRECT,
PEOPLE WOULD BE BEHIND THE LAW. THEY WOULD BE VIOLATING LAW. PEOPLE WANT TO DO RENTALS. THEY WANT THE INCOME. THEY NEED THE INCOME. THAT’S WHY THEY’RE DOING IT.>>FEW PEOPLE DO.>>I THINK AGAIN, I THINK
THERE MAY BE, HOW DO WE RECONCILE THE ENACT SO MANY OF
THE, VAST MAJORITY OF THESE LISTINGS FOR VACATION RENTALS
ARE FOR THE ENTIRE HOME.>>RIGHT.>>HOW CAN YOU ACCOUNT FOR THE
FACT THAT OVER 70% OF THESE LISTINGS ARE BEING OFFERED BY
RESIDENTS OUT OF STATE? REAL NUMBERS.>>AGAIN, LOOK, I GET IT. I HAVE, WHEN I SAW THE
COMMERCIAL FROM AIRB&B, I THINK ME WERE BIG ISLAND
RESIDENT.>>LEGAL OVER THERE. THAT’S
WHY THEY USE IT.>>CORRECT. BUT I GET IT. I GET LOCAL FAMILY THAT,
COUPLE IN KONA, THAT WANTS TO. KAILUA KONA, BIG ISLAND, ONE
OUT OF EIGHT HOMES ARE BEING USED AS VACATION RENTALS. IF THERE WAS A LAW, OWNER
OCCUPANTS GOING TO LET YOU A GET A PERMIT. VAST MAJORITY SHOWING UP AT
CITY COUNCIL WOULD BE SATISFIED. PEOPLE SHOWING UP ARE LOCAL
RESIDENTS. DON’T FLY FROM THE MAINLAND TO
SHOW UP AT CITY COUNCIL, STATE OF HAWAII TO TESTIFY.>>ATTEMPT TO GET AIRB&B AND
NOWHERE TO BE FOUND.>>NOWHERE TO BE FOUND. THEY CAN SPEND MILLIONS OF
DOLLARS IN THE MARKET.>>WOULD WELCOME AIRB&B ON THE
SHOW. THEY HAVE AN OPEN INVITATION
HERE AT INSIGHTS. ONLY HAVE A FEW MINUTES. YOU WANTED TO SHARE SOME
INFORMATION, HOW PEOPLE WHO ARE PASSIONATE ABOUT THIS CAN
GET INVOLVED.>>YES. BEEN RECEIVING CALLS FOR
YEARS NOW AND ABOUT NEIGHBORS COMPLAINING, WHAT’S GOING ON
IN THE NEIGHBORHOODS AND WHAT CAN THEY DO IT. ASKED ME. ALL I CAN DO IS GIVE THEM THE
DPP PHONE NUMBER. WHICH I’VE DONE AND PRAY THEIR
SITUATION WILL GO BETTER. THEY CAN EMAIL US
AND WE CAN RESPOND. IF THEY’RE LOOKING MORE
INFORMATION OR IDEAS OR SO FORTH, WE CAN GET BACK TO
THEM.>>Yunji: BASE ON THE NUMBERS
OF CALLS TONIGHT, I HAVE A FEELING YOU WILL GET QUITE A
FEW EMAILS COMING UP.>>I HOPE IT WAS CLEAR THE WAY
I SAID IT.>>Yunji: IT WAS AND WE PUT IT
ON THE SCREEN. DO YOU HAVE A FINAL THOUGHT
TONIGHT? WHERE SHOULD WE GO WITH THIS?>>NO. I DON’T.
I THINK THE ENTIRE ISSUE NEEDS TO BE RESOLVED AT THE CITY
COUNCIL LEVEL WITH SOME TYPE OF REASONABLE REGULATION,
PERMITTING, TAXATION. THAT WOULD SOME LEVEL OF
STANDARDIZATION IN TERMS OF HOW PEOPLE SHOULD OPERATE. I THINK THAT WOULD BE VERY
HELPFUL. THINK THE IDEA OF LUMPING IT
ALL TOGETHER, ACCOMMODATIONS, IT NEEDS TO
SEPARATED BETWEEN OWNER OCCUPANTS AND NONOWNER
OCCUPANTS. OTHER THAN THAT, I THINK IT’S
A VERY PROFOUND ISSUE. I DON’T THINK IT’S GOING TO GO
AWAY. HOUSING MARKET IS ALL THE
FAULT OF AIRB&B. SMALL PERCENTAGE OF
RESIDENTS. TO SAY THAT’S WHAT CAUSING
HOUSING SHORTAGE. THAT’S PREPOSTEROUS. GROUP IN KANEOHE SAID THEY
WERE GOING TO BUILD 25 HOMES.>>TOOK THEM 25 YEARS TO GET
A PERMIT FROM CITY & COUNTY OF HONOLULU. EVERY TIME THEY WENT IN, WE’RE
BUILDING IN KAPOLEI NOW, EWA. SOME OTHER WAY. DON’T COME
BACK.>>Yunji: WE’RE GOING TO HAVE
TO LEAVE IT THERE. MAHALO TO ALL OF YOU FOR
JOINING US TONIGHT. WE DO REGRET THAT
REPRESENTATIVE FROM AIRB&B COULD NOT BE HERE. HOPEFULLY WE WILL HAVE AN
OPPORTUNITY WITH AIRB&B ON THE TABLE FOR UPDATE ON THE
MOLD FOR ACCOMMODATING VISITORS. THANK AU GUESTS SHARLYN FOO,
OWNER OF BACKPACKERS VACATIONS INN. WILL PAGE, HOME SHARING
SUPPORTING, LAWRENCE BARTLEY PRESIDENT OF SAVE OAHU’S
NEIGHBORHOOD AND CADE WATANABE WITH UNITE-HERE
LOCAL 5. NEXT WEEK AN INSIGHTS WE’LL
LOOK AT DIFFERENT FACET OF HAWAI’I, TOO MANY TOURISTS
ARE DYING IN HAWAI’I AND IN THE BAY AREA, AND NBC STORY
PROMISED DANGEROUS DESTINATIONS REVEALED. WE LOOK SPECIFICALLY AT
HIKING ACCIDENTS AND RESCUES ON ALL THE ISLANDS AND YOU
MIGHT BE SURPRISED TO FIND OUT WHO ASSIGNED TO MANAGE
CONTROVERSIAL TRAIL THAT LURES SO MANY LOCALS AND
TOURISTS EVEN THOUGH IT’S BEEN CLOSED FOR YEARS. NEXT WEEK. WE HOPE YOU’LL JOIN US. I’M YUNJI DE NIES FOR
INSIGHTS ON PBS HAWAII. A HUI HO.

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